Earlier this year, Professor Michael Dobson, the director of the UK’s Shakespeare Institute, visited a university in Ukraine to talk about ‘Spaces for Shakespeare’ (and beer!)

Michael Dobson lecturing
On 7 May 2018 Professor Michael Dobson gave a lecture titled Spaces for Shakespeare at the Ukrainian Shakespeare Centre, Zaporizhzhya Classical Private University, in south east Ukraine.

The Director of the Shakespeare Institute in Stratford-upon-Avon, Professor Dobson spoke to a packed lecture theatre of students, teachers and academics from across central and southern Eastern Ukraine.

Following a lively introduction by Director of the Centre, Professor Nataliya Torkut on Shakespeare Days in Ukraine 2018 (a multi-centre Shakespeare festival), there was an enjoyable, wide ranging and insightful lecture by Michael Dobson on Spaces for Shakespeare.

The audience in Zaporizhzhia
“Any space can be a space for Shakespeare,” Professor Dobson stated, “and the more spaces that are a space for Shakespeare the better.”

The lecture took us through the history of Shakespeare’s plays (“His plays are a conversation – always eloquent.”) and performance of them, via the theatres and other places where they have been performed. Trends and styles of different periods in Britain, Europe, the USA, Canada and Australia were covered. Usually-overlooked places in Britain discussed included Middlesborough’s purpose-built post-war theatre, St. Mary’s Guildhall in Coventry, Maddermarket Theare in Norwich, and the planned Shakespeare Playhouse at Prescot, near Liverpool.

Michael Dobson and Nataliya Torkut
Professor Dobson’s observations ranged from the serious (“It is vitally important that countries as well as having their own culture have culture in common.”) to the light-hearted (“Hamlet is a brilliant stand-up comic as well as a doomed young man.”)

He also addressed a question about Shakespeare authorship theories. He revealed that he spent much time in every lecture dealing with this, and that Shakespeare seemed to simply attract the attention of a significant amount of people who psychologically were attracted to conspiracy theories. Dobson pointed out that there is lots of evidence that William Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare and no evidence that any one else did. (The very same week, Prospect Magazine published an article with similar conclusions but more provocative language: ‘Think Shakespeare wasn’t Shakespeare? You might just be a snob’).

More agreeably, Dobson addressed the role of beer in Shakespeare theatre. “Elizabethan theatre started as pub theatre,” he explained. “You can get a very good range of beer at the RSC, the Globe, at every major theatre. Shakespeare writes beautifully about beer.”

“I’d like to see Barack Obama play Brutus in Julius Caesar…” Shakespeare Magazine meets Dr Erin Sullivan of the Shakespeare Institute in Stratford-upon-Avon

Dr Erin Sullivan of The Shakespeare Institute

Dr Erin Sullivan of The Shakespeare Institute

 
Which play or area of Shakespeare are you working on right now – and what are you getting from it?
ERIN SULLIVAN: “Right now I’m working on Shakespeare and digital technology, so my focus is on how technology is influencing or shaping the performance of Shakespeare today. Some of that has to do with the development of live broadcasting, online streaming, or where people might see a production through a screen digitally. Some of it is where directors are using digital technology on stage, live video on stage or a TV screen maybe to show a 24-hour news cycle alongside a Roman play or something like that.

“Then the last area of it is looking at directors or artists that are thinking about whether it’s possible to take performance fully into the digital sphere – for instance, stage a play using social media on Twitter or Instagram, or use that in a hybrid way with production.

Andrew Scott as Hamlet at the Almeida Theatre

Andrew Scott as Hamlet at the Almeida Theatre

 
“What am I getting from it? Lots! It’s really fun because it means getting to go and see lots of different things. There’s lots of things I’ve been to, thinking it’s not for my project – and then a screen appears and I start rifling through my bag for a notebook! I think, in general, I’m really interested in how people take hold of Shakespeare, what people of different generations have found exciting or emotionally engaging about his plays. Technology has really proliferated and become such an important part of our lives in the last 20 years. That’s one of the biggest changes I’ve seen in my own life, so I think that’s why I was drawn to it.

“A lot of what I’m looking at is still big theatre companies like the RSC or the National Theatre and sometimes slightly smaller ones like the Almeida, but it has also opened up a whole world of what you might call ‘grassroots Shakespeare’ – amateur versus professional. A lot of people are doing Shakespeare themselves in lots of ways and using things like Twitter to explore a character or look at the text in a new way.”

What have you learned about Shakespeare that would have surprised your younger self?
“Gosh, there must be many things. I know for certain when I first came here to do my MA, the thing that surprised me most was, in some ways, that I didn’t know anything about the different versions of different plays. So, the idea that for Hamlet there were three different printings of the play either during Shakespeare’s time or shortly after his death, and that there are some significant differences between those printings – the same with King Lear – that’s something that I remember really blew my mind when I first got here.

Quarto edition of King Lear, 1608

Quarto edition of King Lear, 1608

 
“It’s interesting that in a play like King Lear there can be one line and different versions of that line that actors or scholars can choose from, because although the shape of the play itself is still pretty much the same, there are a lot of moments when you can pick your favourite version. There’s a bit more scope for playing with the text or reinventing it at times that we might not expect. It seems a long time ago, when I came to study, but that’s the thing that surprised me the most.”

Which Shakespeare character most resembles you?
“There’s lots of ones in different moments that I identify with – Brutus with his pensive deliberateness or Falstaff and his fun, but I think the one that first came to mind was Rosalind (As You Like It). In the way of, hopefully, her vivaciousness, her determination to get things her way, but in a good sense! Really going after what she wants, really embracing love and friendship, and that being an important part of their life. That’s maybe one that I would aspire to be like, I should say, as opposed to saying that’s me.”

Rosalind (As You Like It)

Rosalind (As You Like It)

 
If I asked you to give me a Shakespeare quotation, which is the first one that comes to your mind?
“Definitely something from Hamlet, and all the speeches came to mind. I remember one quote that always really struck me when I was younger studying was Hamlet saying ‘there is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so’. I thought that was so true. There’s so much black and white truth, but then so much of it is also about the way that we take a certain idea and make it mean something for us. Also, at the darker ends of things, people can really twist things back and forth. So, yes, that was the first one that came to mind.”

What is your favourite Shakespeare myth?
“I like the one about Shakespeare poaching deer at Charlecote. I think just because it makes him seem like kind of a lovable rogue! I guess it’s a Falstaffian or Eastcheap sort of side in that it’s not really that bad of a thing to do, but a bit naughty and a bit funny. Also it very much locates him here in, not in Stratford itself, but out here in the Warwickshire area. Just trying to think about what he would have been like and what he would have got up to.”

You have the power to cast anyone (actor or otherwise) to play any Shakespearean character. Who do you choose – and which role do they play?
“Gosh, there’s so many good ones! I know who I want to cast, but let me think about who I want them to play… Okay, so I’d like to see Barack Obama as Brutus in Julius Caesar. I thought Henry V might be quite nice too, but now that he’s sidelined from power a little, I’d like to see him play that very pensive, thoughtful, would-be politician and see what he makes of it. I think he’d be really good, too! I think he’s very intelligent and quite cerebral, but also funny.”

President Obama with actor Leonardo DiCaprio

President Obama with actor Leonardo DiCaprio

 
“I think he’d be a good Henry V too because he can be fiery and rousing and, I think, he’s got such a nice sense of humour and I think that nice act at the end of Henry V with the wooing of Catherine, I think he’d be pretty good in. Maybe if I could have the two shows in rep, I’d have him doing both! That would be my ideal.”

For more on Dr Erin Sullivan, visit her blog, Digital Shakespeares.